That’s What She Said

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LEAN IN meets FREAKONOMICS. How men and women can close the gender gap in the workplace.

We all agree that men and women think and behave differently. Here, at last, is a book that shows both sides what to do about it.

When Joanne Lipman wrote the article 'Women at Work: A Guide for Men' for Wall Street Journal, it immediately went viral. When the response continued to grow, she realised just how crucial an element was missing from the gender equality debate in the workplace: without men participating in the conversation, women can lean in all they want . . . but all they'll do is fall over.

Lipman was contacted by scores of corporations and businesses around the world, where men (yes, men!) were eager for the playbook on how to work better with women, and how to make their companies work better for women. As she began speaking on the topic and continued to delve into the science, Lipman realised that there was an awful lot to say to men about women at work.

In That's What She Said: What Men Need to Know and Women Need to Tell Them About Working Together, Lipman takes a 'no shame, no blame' approach to this thorny topic. Diving deep into the wide range of government initiatives, corporate experiments and social science research (and a few ongoing lawsuits along the way) she offers new revelations culled from the Enron scandal, from brain research, from transgender scientists, and from Iceland's campaign to 'feminise' an entire nation. Packed with fascinating and entertaining examplers, including how Google reinvented their hiring process after their famed open-ended questions ('How many piano tuners are there in the entire world?') produced, to their surprise and dismay, an overwhelmingly male work force; and how the latest research on the significant differences between how men and women email, That's What She Said is a rallying cry, for both men and women to finally take real steps towards closing the gender gap at work.

(P)2018 Hodder & Stoughton Limited

Critics Review

  • I know what you’re thinking: ‘Not another career guide-cum-manifesto, telling us to “woman up” and demand more money.’ But that isn’t what Lipman says. Instead, she uses data, reams of it, to expose how the system is rigged against women. She then calls for men to join the fight to make the workplace more equal. Campaigning for equality has to be a mixed sport; instead of women ‘leaning in’, they need to get their male colleagues listening . . . Reading Win Win may make you feel angry — a punch-the-wall rage — but, as Lipman notes, anger won’t persuade more men to join Team Equality

    SUNDAY TIMES STYLE MAGAZINE

  • An urgently needed exploration of how men – alongside women – can close the gender gap at work and in life. Now, more than ever, we need this book and its real, pragmatic solutions. By rooting her insights in real-world examples, extensive academic research, and stories that are a joy to read, she has provided an essential primer on how we can all succeed together

    Charles Duhigg, bestselling author of THE POWER OF HABIT and SMARTER FASTER BETTER

  • Attention, good guys: if you want to advocate for women but don’t want to be villainised, this book is for you. It’s a rare guide on championing gender equality that you’ll actually enjoy reading – and it’s full of strategies for improving your workplace

    Adam Grant, bestselling author of ORIGINALS and OPTION B with Sheryl Sandberg

  • A bold statement . . . This book goes a step further than Sheryl Sandberg’s bestselling Lean In and challenges both men and women to examine their own prejudices and actively reshape work cultures to be more welcoming to women

    Publishers Weekly (starred review)

  • Joanne Lipman leaves her soapbox at home, rolls up her sleeves, and provides real solutions to complex problems. Her valuable insights are a tool kit for men and women to not only work alongside each other but to bring out each other’s best

    Glen Mazzara, Exec Producer, THE SHIELD and THE WALKING DEAD

  • An instant classic. It’s a must-read for two groups of people: men and women

    Roger McNamee, venture capitalist

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